"You are so negative"

in

Good day:
I am new to the forum. I purchased the film when it first came out.
Wow, talk about a mind blowing experience. I kept repeating over and over: That's me. that is exactly what is in my head".
I am 52, a farm wife. My husband is a farmer and a carpenter. We do not
crop farm. We raise beef cattle.
We have one daughter who is 30. I can not speak of any of the four horsemen to her.
She says I am becoming the most negative person that she has ever met, so I keep my mouth shut and talk about uplifting stuff when I am with her.
One of my girlfriends tells me that I have become the most critical person that she knows, so I don't discuss it with her any longer.
By critical she means that I critique everything, not that I criticize others.
How am I to respond when people call me negative? I see the world falling apart around me.
I am a cancer survivor, (four years out) and have been seeing a counselor
since my diagnosis.
When I try to tell my counselor about my fears for the future, he tells me
that I need to stop dwelling on it. I should ignore it and not think about it at all since I can't do anything to stop it or change it.
I am confused and saddened. I feel like an outsider, a weirdo, whatever.
I do not just see things from an economic point of view.
As farmers we see things from an agriculture point of view. We are heading for such a calamity (perfect word) that I have a hard time putting it in words.
I post on a peak oil web-site, and on that site I call myself, Pheba from the farm. Actually I have a new name there, PhebaandthePilgrim.
My husband is the Pilgrim.
If you are interested in reading about some of the difficulties in farming
please visit the site and look at some of my old postings.
There are other things.
Bugs on the windshield on a hot summer night driving down a country road. I remember how thick they used to be. There are very few bugs now.
Where are the bugs?
I remember the sound of bees in a clover pasture on a warm summer day.
The constant buzzing that was a part of summer is gone. The bees are gone here.
Where are the bees.
Fertilizer prices have risen so high that we can't afford to fertilize our ground for hay for our cattle.
We can no longer afford to buy corn to feed the cattle. We raised organic beef, but we can no longer afford to raise for anybody but ourself.
This is insane.
Am I negative? I sure wasn't negative when I survived cancer. I wasn't negative when I was able to get lupus in full remission.
I wasn't negative when I was able to help my daughter achieve remission with the same disease.
Why are one out of 9 American women showing up with a full blown auto-immune disease? The above figure does not even include fibromyalgia.
It is thought that one in 4 women has fibromyalgia.
Tim and Sally hit the nail on the head with their thought provoking prose in the film.
What do I tell people who tell me; "You are so negative"?
Pheba.

Comments

Lie about it

Lua's picture

Unless you are signing a warranty statement, I'd bet it isn't illegal to not tell the truth on that form.

(this was supposed to be below the note about the census for farms.)

Keep in mind, what we like

PaganBear's picture

Keep in mind, what we like to call "Mother Culture" tells people that everything's actually just fine as long as you go with the flow. The only times there's a problem is if you cannot simply function and work to help make all this destruction come about. If you're unable to, THEN they'll worry about you or for you. But you start talking about the problems, and THEN it's negative.

But here's where this "don't be so negative" crap comes into play, really. We run around forcing all living things on the planet into cages, conquering and destroying living species and human races and tribes, all over the globe. It's okay that it happens, but don't you dare impose on us civilized people in any way any moment of sad thought or gloom, because then that'll be a real tragedy. In other words... their suffering doesn't matter. They can have hot pokers shoved up their ass for all anybody cares. But make a Taker frown for a second, and you'll be severely punished and labeled a bad person. That's how it works.

This of course makes me loved about as much as Stalin, because I never shut up about it. They're either gonna hear me or care, or I'm gonna make them hear me hear me hear me until they leave. Cuz somebody's gotta speak some truth, and I'll be damned if they stop me.

Remember, when outcasted from this culture, what you're being told is that you're not accepted by people who find murder acceptable on all things unless it happens in their own personal direction, then they cry. Do you really want to be a part of a culture like that anyway? You're surrounded by the disingenuous, the hypocritical, and the apathetic. It's like having Hitler say he doesn't want to be your friend. The loneliness gets to ya... I admit. It does me too. A great deal. But I've watched the people I love and respect most flip out and accept some of the most disgusting things, and then get onto me when I dare talk about the travesty that they are.

But I didn't get into this to feel superior. I got into this to hopefully change minds. I just wish so badly for once that I'd see some evidence to the contrary, but I've seen next to none. When it doesn't work with them, band together with those few you can find who care and agree, because in the end, it will be vital. I wish I didn't have to be so glib about it, but you already know 'just be positive' is a philosophy that serves only one type of people... the destroyers.

Ray, aka the PaganBear
http://www.thestumblingblock.com = my site
http://paganbear.livejournal.com = my blog
thepaganbear@yahoo.com

good question.

Jen H.'s picture

Pheba, I understand about being considered "too negative." I have also been called "too serious" and "too sensitive." Yeah, what DO you say to that?! I mean, it's obvious that such comments are coming from a place of fear and resistance. Lately I have tried not to talk too much to people who don't get it, or to talk about other things, but the disjointed feeling gets a bit much to bear. It's hard to balance the not talking with being true to myself, owning my own perceptions, maintaining a belief that I am most emphatically not insane but rather more sane by the day as I work on recognizing the crazy stories of empire.

Pheba, you are right to notice the missing bugs and bees. You are right to notice the widespread illnesses. You are right to be critical!

I think it's okay to be "negative". But what bothers me is this "positive/negative" set-up, because it implies that one should be positive and therefore willfully ignoring the overwhelming destruction laid at our feet. I think the next time someone calls me negative, I'll respond by saying, "I'd rather appear serious and worried in the face of threats to our entire biosphere than pretend that everything is fine. I'd rather honor the truth of what I see. You can choose to look at the evidence, or not. I'm choosing to look."

I agree with Jen...

I'd rather look at what's happening full-on, see what the consequences of what we've done, rather than pretend it isn't happening. And that is the strange thing, isn't it, that so many people are pretending that there's nothing wrong, that somewhere along the line technology will solve everything. They'll carry on flying everywhere, driving those ridiculous tank things that pass for the family car these days, having more children and buying more *stuff* that they don't need, and yet not consider that it must have an impact somewhere along the line. A small example, our neighbours bought an apartment in southern Spain a few years ago and when I mentioned that there are huge water issues in the area they've bought in, they didn't believe me. I mean, the region is technically desert and they hadn't noticed. What can you say?

We're no doubt reading some of the same news - about issues with water, crops, top soil erosion, arable land loss, species extinctions, etc, the list goes on - and asking the same questions, 'How soon is the shit going to hit the fan? how long have we got?'. I don't know about anyone else, but that perfect storm looks like it's getting closer all the time and yet you look about you and it's all just 'business as usual'. I find this really hard to deal with. I've said before that, many times, I feel like a ghost in my own culture, part of the place and yet not part of it. Life is becoming more and more like a strange dream.

And I know exactly what you mean about the being negative bit, too. Of all the people I know - there aren't a lot of them, admittedly, but most are considered intelligent, thinking people - there are only three (THREE!) I can speak to openly about what's happening. The others simply don't care or refuse to discuss it and that really does my head in, big time. Gah, talk about the boiling frog story, that really is us.

So, I'm really thankful and relieved that this little 'sane room' is here, even though all we can really do is relate our stories and shake our heads with worry and bewilderment. At least we know that there are others thinking along the same lines, that we're not alone.

Here's me, reaching out to you all from across the water, wishing we could take one another by the hand, speak face to face and hear each other's voices. For the moment, I'll imagine it instead.

Optimist/Pessimist/Schemesimist

Lua's picture

Pheba, where in the world are you? Are we close enough to touch? I'm in Colorado. I have the same situation with my children - "Mother, I just don't want to hear it anymore, you're too negative and it's no longer pleasant to even talk to you because I'm sure to hear more about the end of the world." Until this winter, I tried my best not to alienate them with continued references to the stuff I was learning. But things have gotten serious enough that they are actually starting to notice now and I'm being "allowed" to mention things a time or two. Also, I'm becoming less tolerant of their blindness. When they say they don't understand why I can't just 'let it go,' I ask them if they would be able to just 'let it go' if one of their children was heading toward a cliff on a bicycle and didn't want to stop. I have also started to return accusations of negative thinking with anger toward them, saying things like I don't understand how I can have raised children who willfully choose ignorance over knowledge. I've been carefully gauging the amount of "aggressive response" I can get away with - when I drive them close to the edge, I back off immediately (and then resume the fight another day, lol). It's sort of a cat and mouse game - and it seems to be working. As the world is spiraling down faster, I'm noticing a thawing of the closed off attitude and a beginning to listening.

Do you have acreage for pasturing your cattle? Since corn is becoming too expensive anyway, you might consider focusing on the "grass-fed" market. When cows are fed grains, they develop a form of e-coli in their stomachs that does not normally exist in a cow and is causing all kinds of problems in other foods - like the spinach e-coli disaster that happened a couple of years ago. Cows in a feedlot had developed the e-coli, it got into the ground water and then onto the spinach with irrigation. Also, grain-fed cows have a change in the omega 3 to 6 ratio of EFA's. Grass-fed cows have a healthy ratio for humans to eat (1:4) while grain-fed cows are way overbalanced toward omega 6 (1:20.) I eat only grass-fed beef and there's a growing market out there as people begin to learn about these things.

Also, on the pessimist/optimist scene - one way to overcome the label is to begin being hugely optimistic about the development of a self-sufficient lifestyle. Start waxing eloquent about how awesome self-sufficiency will be, because you can "escape supermarket prices for food," and "have healthy water," and how great it would feel to have such a sense of self worth and accomplishment - focus on the good things about becoming independent instead of on the bad things that are driving you there. I must admit - that had an unexpected backlash for me. My daughter finally heard the bit about becoming self-sufficient - and decided to do so on a piece of land about five hours' drive from here. I'm still working on getting through the grief about her moving so far away, but at least she is no longer in metro Denver!

Lua

You Are So Negative

Good day from Pheba, on the farm:
This is my first visit to this site since last spring. I decided that I
needed to walk away for a while. I was just so overwhelmed.
On top of everything else it would seem we are being hit with the effects of global warming.
Here is what has been happening on the farm this summer.
No synthetic fertilizer for the first time since 1971. This should have equaled no hay.
We got lucky.
This has been the year of much rain.
We were afraid we would not have much hay because of a lack of fertilizer.
Hubby spent quite a bit of money sowing several types of clover and lespedeza.
The high protein legumes went nuts because of the rain.
Last week we walked back to check on the cattle, and there was more clover than I have ever seen in my life.
The clover was so thick we could barely walk through it.
White clover flowers were everywhere, and the sweet smell was overwhelmingly wonderful.
In past years a field this rich with clover would have had a constant loud buzzing drone. Honeybees.
The field is silent. It is kind of scary really. No more honeybees to pollinate the clover.
Fortunately, there are a lot of other insects doing the job, albeit, not as efficiently as the honeybees, but (and I quote a favorite novel), Earth Abides.
Fireflies seem to be doing an amazing job of pollination on the clover.
Also, a variety of yellow moth, that is beautiful among the clover.
I seem to remember that back in the 1970's and 80's when I lived in St. Louis that the fireflies were greatly diminished because of spraying for mosquitos.
It all seems so fragile.
So, our hay situation is great.
Our mold situation is awful. We do not have an air conditioned home.
I have been wiping the furniture down all summer long to keep down the mold in the house.
In all of my life I have never seen rain like we have had this year.
I raise roses organically. the blackspot fungal problems were terrible.
The garden was a failure except for the cabbages and green peppers, which seemed to thrive on the constant moisture.
My asthma is bad because of the mold.
As I type this it is pouring rain, again.
We are now in hurricane season. We are prepared for yet more rain when Ike moves through here tomorrow morning, or what is left of it. Rain, and more rain.
I never remember a summer when the barometric pressure changed as quickly as it did this summer.
One minute pressure was high, then bang, two hours later it is dropping, and more rain moves in.
I have rheumatoid arthritis, and the low pressure really makes me feel lousy.
I can not bring myself to watch What A Way To Go.
I am in a denial mode.
I keep telling myself that I am being silly.
everything is going to be fine.
What A Way To Go.
Pheba, from the farm.

Negative, Negative, Negative!

Good morning Lua:
This is just what I need. One more web-site with open minded aware people. I spend too much time on the computer! I have so much work to do, but it is so heartening to be able to communicate with like minded people.
I have come to an agreement with my daughter. We agreed that I would keep the doom and gloom details to myself. She says that she is aware of what is happening. She said that only an idiot would not see that all is crumbling around us.
We have agreed that I will know the details, not tell her the details, and just give her advice. To the benefit of my daughter and her husband, they do listen when I give advice.
So, I will keep advising them. They are desperately working towards living
a modest lifestyle and reducing their debt.
I guess I will carry the burden of the information alone, and it sure looks dire to me.
I am going to town on Wednesday and I plan to buy 50 pounds of flour and 50 pounds of rice. The rice is easy to store. The flour must be kept frozen because I use whole wheat.
I am wondering if an investment in a grain mill would be a good ideal.
Food banks are having a horrible time getting enough food to feed people. I just quit a food bank that I volunteered at the last seven years.
Things are becoming squirrelly there to the point of being dangerous.
The poorest of the poor are becoming a little desperate. The food bank had to call the police at least once a week because of theft at the little thrift shop. The thrift shop sales support the food pantry.
Thank you for letting me become a part of this board.
Pheba.

Raising beef cattle.

Good day:
We do raise our beef cattle on hay. Here are some facts most folks don't understand about raising cattle.
Cattle are able to process the cellulose and fibers of grasses, and break it down.
Bacteria in their rumen (stomach) helps break the material down.
Grass must contain proper nutrients to sustain a cow.
A cow needs a certain amount of nutritious grass to be healthy and raise a calf.
Most of the grass in our state (Missouri) is depleted from centuries of over-cropping.
Synthetic fertilizers are necessary for a high degree of utilization to raise cattle.
We have an average size cow/calf operation, at 160 acres.
We can keep about 30 mother cows on 160 acres with synthetic fertilizers.
Without synthetic fertilizers my husband estimates that we can keep about 15 to 20 head of mother cows.
Grass that is nutrient deficient will not sustain a cow to raise a calf.
Synthetic fertilizers have doubled in cost in the last year, yes doubled!!
There are several reasons for this.
First, ethanol. Corn takes more fertilizer than any other commercial crop.
Second. Rock Phosphate used in Phosphorous fertilizer has peaked globally, and supply can no longer meet demand.
Third. synthetic nitrogen fertilizer is made using a process called Haber-Bosch. This process uses large amounts of natural gas. Natural gas has peaked and supply can no longer meet demand.
Factoid:: The U.S. imports 15 percent of natural gas from Canada. This 15 percent is a full 50% of Canada's production. How long will Canada do this once they peak, and I believe they may have peaked.
Most synthetic fertilizer is a mix of 3 nutrients, nitrogen, potash, and Phosphorous.
Most Missouri pastureland is a mix of K31 fescue, clover, brome, and other natural grasses. Clover must be reseeded every few years and is becoming more and more expensive. Clover is a legume and fixes nitrogen in the soil. We do not put nitrogen fertilizer on our pasture. We buy clover, and use the potash and phosphorous to feed the clover, while holding back the growth of the fescue. This gives the clover a chance to grow and reseed.
We use nitrogen on 22 acres of Missouri native warm season grass, called Gamma grass. A naturalized grass that is a great place for wildlife. The cattle can graze in the highest heat when other grasses fail. We put synthetic nitrogen on the gamma, but did not do this year.
This year we could not afford any fertilizer. It cost us $3,200.00 to fertilize last year. This year we just could not afford to pay $5,000.00 to fertilize our ground, so we are going to just see what happens.
We do drag manure with a manure spreader, but that is not enough fertility for the depleted ground in this country.
Last year we cleared $700.00 on the cattle. My husband does not raise the cattle for profit. It is difficult for those who are not involved in agriculture to understand how it gets in a persons blood. My husband is a cowman. He has been since he was a young kid.
He takes care of the needs of the cattle before he takes care of his own needs. Day in, day out, cold, heat, rain, hail, whatever.
He has been kicked, knocked down, bludgeoned, and splattered with manure from head to tail. He truly truly cares for these animals.
We try to maintain our farm with as little impact on the environment as possible. We have ponds for drinking to reduce our drain on groundwater. We spread manure. We try to raise the mama cows on natural grass.
We do not use any synthetic pesticides or herbicides.
Corn and other supplements must be fed to growing young stock.
Corn and other supplements must be fed to stock being raised for beef.
Most folks just do not understand what natural resources are involved for all of the food we eat.
I see things from an agriculture point of view.
I hope this is not considered a negative in-put to this board.
I contribute this to share, and so people will understand how dire our situation is in this country.
The amber waves of grain in this country are an illusion.
We are in deep trouble.
Ethanol production is effectively destroying agriculture in this country.
Pheba.

good info to share

Jen H.'s picture

Pheba, thanks for laying out the scenario so clearly. I knew some of those pieces of information, but not all, especially the particulars about raising cattle and nutritious grass. I was raised in a largely urban and suburban environment and never had the opportunity to learn much about agriculture and animal husbandry. Now I am focusing much more on where our food comes from. I now live in a semi-rural part of western Massachusetts and have more opportunity to spend time on farms and talk to farmers.

I don't consider your post to be a "negative in-put" to the site-- to the contrary, I believe that it's good for people to be informed.

I'm glad you were able to strike a compromise with your daughter and that she has acknowledged that the situation is very serious. Maybe in time she will be more willing to confront the facts, but at least she is willing to receive advice and take action. That's more than my family members are willing to do.

You are very much a welcome addition to this network, Pheba. From what I've noticed, we are an eclectic bunch spread out widely geographically (all over North America, UK, Namibia, New Zealand, etc) but we are united in spirit.

Fascinating

I don't think it's negative information, Pheba - about cattle farming - I found it fascinating to read. And it's good to put things in perspective, to see what it actually takes to raise these animals on depleted soil.

You just don't realise, if you've been brought up in an urban area, what it takes to bring on all those animals to be full grown and healthy. There is a great deal more than just sticking them in a big field and waiting for young to appear - and yet that's no doubt what a great many people imagine does happen. It's something most people never even consider, so it's good, and worrying, given the state of things, to see it written down. I do hope your pasture does okay without the fertilisers - that's a crazy price rise and there must be many farmers whose land is going without fertilising this year.

As Jen says, welcome to this group - the more the merrier and I hope it will grow.

Dunno

Bernhard's picture

This is long and I wrote it off-line. It is not inspirational.

This entire issue is a “gut feeling” thing. For me it is what I believe, for you it is the same, and that in no way implies that we agree about everything.

It may be that my beliefs have more roots in the ground than those of many others, but there are some other others who have even deeper roots. The thing with “beliefs” is they cannot be proved. The things that I can prove are the things that I know. And while I am among the top percentile in the “knowledge” arena I am often in awe of how much I do not know. Yet despite this relative ignorance, I am fully competent to trundle along. And I say trundle because at present my gut is saying “not that way” but is most unclear on “which way”.

The crash is here and now. It is just like and very unlike the infamous tsunami of 2004 [?]. Did you feel it? Did it change your life? The reality is that it has changed your life, regardless of your response. The very idea that Mother Nature could be so destructive was beyond the imagination of virtually every person living at the time. The idea that she would be, even further. But now we know.

It may be that faced with this colossal ignorance, our collective egos over the millennia have created the domain of “faith” to cope with the fear of all that we do not know. It was so then and it is so now.

If I do not know that a snake can bite and that it will probably be fatal, there is every chance that I will try and pick it up and be bitten. So, unless you are there to pass on the lesson, my ignorance will have cost me my life and the general ignorance about the danger remains. Maybe this is the origin of animal deities in the many religions of early man and some that survive today. It would appear that there is a collective need for an explanation of the inexplicable.

The signs, those disruptive demonstrators along the tracks not to mention the bombers [thanks Mann], are right here in my face and there is no way I can relate them more eloquently, more graphically or with more impact than Tim and Sally have already done. The question is less where are they pointing than what should I do. The signs, clear though they are, are each small ingredients in a system so complex it remains beyond our [mental] grasp, well mine at least. The signs are themselves consequences, of human action and natural cyclic [?] changes and they largely fall into the “Thou shalt not - - - “ category – like the ‘don’t try and pick up a snake’ lesson of a few lines back which led to my death.

The thing is, with my well beyond QED [quid errat demonstrandum] inability to foresee the consequences of my part in the Grand Crumble that is happening now, what am I to do in the next moment, and the one after that? A part of the problem for me is my inability to predict which crumb will crumble next and get out of its way. Another part of the problem is my inability to accurately predict when the crumble will transit into an avalanche, or for that matter whether it will.

I am immovably persuaded that a large part of the current instability is rooted in the number of us “sapiens” roaming around, just the number. And one of the crumbs is this morning’s bombing of the crowd at the marathon fun-run in Sri-Lanka. And if I am correct, then guess what an avalanche of those crumbs will be like.

Everything in me says “Walk away”.

My neighbour Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe is one of the more castigated figures of today’s political scene, not because he is a threat to the world like Amadinajhad [?] but because his actions have put his currency 99.99999 laps ahead in a 100 lap inflation race. He did this 8 years ago by allowing, and supporting, the poor and landless multitudes to drive Caucasian [white] farmers off what the latter believed to be “Their land”. Now the country has very little and there are no more bandages for the wounds of Empire in the supermarkets. Now, If Bob would just step down out of his stretch Merc limo and ride a bicycle or a donkey, I would have a bit more respect for the guy, but he hasn’t done it yet and while his tenure is in the balance as I write, he shows no signs of letting it go.

There is a rather painful saying “the masses are asses”. Sadly it is largely true in my view. So, in this grand global democracy we glorify being ruled by the asses for the asses, so much so that if you are in a non-democratic country you are also a node in the axis of evil and you have paid good money to have Georgie-boy come up with that slogan, and so have I [our Government went into a deal with GM with my good tax money a couple years back] [Oops – did I just say GOOD money? – forgive the slip]. Unless, of course, you are sitting on a pond of crude in which case if you are relatively benign and keep a generally low profile you are not a node. So the allegory of the grand global democracy is that we have what we deserve and I have what I deserve, no matter how blindly or unconsciously I contributed, ass that I am.

Now, putting the ‘hanging on” syndrome together with the demonstrated wisdom of the world’s leadership, my prophecy for the near term future is that the powers that be, the ones I have allowed and you have allowed, will hang on, desperately, irrationally at all costs trying to maintain the present order.

The early sign is Orlav’s financial collapse and we are skipping around the edges of that sink-hole right now. The bulls eye of the financial collapse will be unaffordable crude which will stop the tankers, the trains, the cars and the planes. Very quickly the bandages of Empire will disappear. Like the morning mist – Commercial collapse. Bear in mind that it is not so much the alice bands and hair clasps that are the issue here, rather the staple things like corn and wheat and veggies and meat, and for those things people have been known to kill and they will, again.

As insurrection grows, a primarily urban thing at first, the ‘hanging on’ powers that are still hanging will find their choice limited to Newtons Law of Gravity, and their fall will be grievous indeed. But it will not be a single event, rather it will be chunks instead of crumbs with some chunks still hanging in there, those with stored resources, probably military. But just like crude, there is only so much stored away and when that runs out there is nothing for the remaining chunks [chumps?] to hang on to so they go into free fall too [according to Newton’s law of gravity] and the chunk of chumps disintegrates and disperses into what remains of humanity around them.

What would happen if overnight, everything except my income jumped by 20%. Well, I guess I would just tighten my belt and make do with less. However, there are many many more that are already on the poverty line and a tragic many below who are already at rock bottom. Since I started this response, Haiti has come into the headlines and the Philipines are also in a rice-crisis.

Africa is strewn with internally displaced people and refugees and in South America the jungle is shrinking faster than the glaciers of the north. But the peak traffic in NYC and London and countless other cities continues its ominous advance. The Refugee problem from Africa has now become a problem for Israel and the BBC recently devoted a whole 2 to 3 minutes to the problem of plastic pollution for a few days in its world news. There was also a brief mention of the international trade in pollination bees and how that has caused the spread of disease causing a radical decline in the global bee population.

I am strongly persuaded that self imposed simplicity will be vastly more livable than forced simplicity. And by simplicity I mean a horse rather than a car, maybe even a donkey. It’s a matter of cutting losses. Far better to have little left to lose than lose it all.

Walk away. Find a place that is generally unattractive to your fellow humans because it is too harsh and find a way to live there. You are standing against the stream now because you are questioning the way we are going, so do the obvious next thing and walk away, the other way.

Hey Bernhard!

Tim's picture

Thanks, sir. Lots of good stuff there. Things seem to be moving fairly quickly now. This is certainly the time to act. Some will walk away. Most have no real place to which to walk. And the clock is ticking...

The key to walking away, I think, is a willingness to let go of everything you know are are and have, and to step into the unknown. Not everybody is up for that.

We haven't had much time online this past month, since we're getting ready to make our jump. Getting the house ready to rent or sell. Figuring out where to land. It's a time of great stress and great excitement, fear and anticipation, confusion and clarity. Welcome to the new world, eh?

Take care, friend,
Tim

No Wonder I'm Negative!

Good morning: It is calving season here. We are having a successful season. A 10% death rate is considered average for a calf crop. We have a 100% live calf rate so far. We have 6 more babies to be born.
The calves have even cooperated by being born on nice days. Only our first calf this year was born in rain and muck. The rest were born into sunshine, or rainy days with warmer temperatures.
We raise Simmental beef cattle. Simmental are not popular. The cattle industry is trying to make all cattle conform to the same size, shape and breed. Even color is a factor. The cattle industry is doing this to try to make cattle an assembly line project like they have done with poultry and pork. Cattle are not as easy to torture into the system as hogs and poultry.
We refuse to change our cattle breeding to the Black Angus, which is the preferred, breed, size and color. I can't help but wonder what is being done to the gene pool of the bovine species in an effort to make them all black.
We barely squeaked by on hay this year. We really ran out two weeks before the end of haying season, the 2nd week of April. The cattle are not interested in hay anyway. They want green grass.
Fortunately, we do not have any hay to feed them anyway. Unfortunately, the grass has little nutrition at this time of year. Also, after a winter of dry forage, the green high moisture grass goes through them quickly, and takes a lot of minerals with it.
So, we went to town to buy some mineral for the cattle. What a shock.
Last year we paid $23.00 a hundred pound for mineral. Last Saturday we paid 41.00 a hundred pound. Everything is skyrocketing in price.
No wonder I am negative.
Bernhard, nice article, but whatever happens, we are here. There is a wonderful film: "Alien Visitor". I highly recommend it.
In the film, an alien, a beautiful woman lands in the Australian outback totally naked. She is found by a kind a man who travels the outback as a part of his job. She has been sent to Earth by accident. She spends the biggest part of the film trying to show the man how humans are destroying their home.
She has the ability to instantly transport them to any place on the planet. Each time she does this the man asks her: "Where are we".
Her reply: "we're still here". No matter where we go on this planet, we will not escape what is coming.
In some way cities will be worse.
Back in the 1980's a pair of serial murderers murdered an elderly couple in a home not far from here. Rural areas are not free of crime and violence. Missouri is the methamphetamine capital of the U.S.
There are meth labs all over the place.
There is no place to go in the U.S. that will be totally safe. There is no such place.
That being said, I do believe the cities will be very bad places to be. I predict that rural areas will form some very strange militias in the near future.
We are staying here for now. My husband has been here all of his life. He is well known and respected in this community. He loves this farm, and has tended it for several decades. Besides, where would we go?
Pheba

dunno [still]

Bernhard's picture

Still dunno – only more so.

Ganga Jin [?] once said “Ah ! ! ! - Confusion ! ! ! The glorious portal on the brink of wisdom !”

So if you find the opening statement a little confusing bear in mind that when I first heard the quote from Ganga Jin I experienced a glorious and joyful sense of vindication accompanied by two friends who were also ROFL. When we had returned to a more calm state we had to roll back at least 5 minutes of the video we were watching together.

If in my “Walk away” statements I have created the impression that I have the answer to it all, then I apologize. I am under no illusion that when the squeeze becomes more obvious, there will be no “safe place“. But at the same time, there is every indication that concentrations of people will be the hot-spots of violence – cities, towns and villages.

It is happening right now. The actions of all the extremist groups that make it into the news are targeted in a city, a town or a village. Sometimes they are aimed at the communication routes. The strategies of war have not changed since the time of Troy – strangle the enemy into submission.

There is no “safe place” on earth now – there will be none during the coming collapse. At least none that I can ‘foresee’. But when the dust settles, there will be islands of people who have survived. And the future of the area where those people are, depends on whether they have learnt, what they have learnt and how they use their experience.

There is a singularly paradoxical lesson in history – humanity does not learn from history.

So, “Walk away” is not only a suggestion regarding physical action, it is even more a call to a change of system, a paradigm shift. It is a call to the quest for a path of life “with the earth” as opposed to on the earth. Sally refers to our lost connection. Richard Manning puts it rather bluntly – “We are food for something out there”.

I am no bible thumper but I hold the Bible in very high regard. I am sad that I have not made the time to learn from the many more other “Holy books” out there.

There is a parable in the Bible about the landowner who gives his most trusted servants talents and then takes an extended trip on other business. The moral of the story in the common interpretation is “Use it or lose it”. [who said the Bible isn’t hip] But there is another lesson in the story and it is probably the one least known and most needed by all humankind. The landowner left after an implied extended period of training and even then not before making absolutely sure that the three servants had EVERYTHING THEY NEEDED.

This is the time for that lesson. This is the time to find within. And if that is what you are doing and have been doing your are well on your way. Your participation on this forum is a telling diagnostic clue.

With each step the same question returns – “Where shall I place my foot?”

In the Toltec way there is a saying “Choose the way with heart”.

So, if your step of faith differs from my step, what of it? I cannot, and have no desire, to prove that I am right.

To the old [in months] and the new, welcome, from my heart.

Downright Paranoid!

Good morning:
We have received our 3rd request from the U.S. government to fill out a complete census of all agriculture on our farm. The government has made it a federal law to not respond.
I guess we will fill it out and send it in. We have no choice.
They are trying to find out exactly how many animals, and how much food is being raised in this country. Scary isn't it!
Pheba

Soooo nice!

Ted Howard's picture

Hi folks

It's soooooo nice to be among kindred spirits, even if you're 10,000 km away!

I've just returned from assisting to teach a Permaculture Design Certificate course and while there I showed WAWTG to those who would watch and blew them away...

I was being labeled as a doom-sayer, so negative by some polly-anna's who got quite angry with me in their defense of their 'positive-only' world view.

I got to see what Sally talked about in the doco, a fundamental need to grow up, and it wasn't very pretty at times. It was predominantly women who were having a go at me, so it's really great to be here with women who understand where I'm coming from!

So I put a stake in the ground for truth, and who knows what the changes will be from it. There's a whole bunch of people getting into Permaculture and the Transition Town movement, looking for 'positive' solutions, so long as we don't talk about what's really going on....is this just another part of the traumatic stress disorder form 'civlized' humans in the endgame of this insane dominant culture??

Most of these 'searchers' don't seem to have much depth to them (yet...!), or have an inkling of how bad things really are, but don't want to know more because they fear being overwhelmed. As Derrick Jensen has said in some of his talks, "it's really important to be overwhelmed, and go through a grief process to die to this culture, and preferably to do this in the context of a loving a supportive community, where there is a normalization of despair as an appropriate responce to a desperate situation"....

Thank you so much Sally, I got your article with Carolyn Baker recently on "We can survive, but can we communicate?" and it's so relevant to what I went through with these folk. They were all really keen to learn how to survive, but to communicate at anything other than surface level was almost dis-allowed...not a good sign...

Best Regards
Ted
Nelson, NZ

Back to top