A Dream about Death and an insight about Dreams as Guides
Night before last I dreamed I was in a post-collapse world, in a town with wide dirt streets, maybe reminiscent of a town in Montana where I spent some summers as a teenager. There was worry about "terrorists" in the streets. Something stirred in me and I felt moved to just risk everything. It was as if I was so tired of being afraid, that I wanted to to test it in the ultimate sense and just walk out into the street. If I got killed then I'd find out what death and dying was all about. I was scared, in a state of heightened alert, but felt this new sense of possible freedom. Something was going to change.
So I walked out the door. I heard a gun fire and instantly I was flying really fast but with great skill. All fear was gone. It was incredibly exhilarating. It was unclear if I'd been killed physically, but found that my spirit, as result of my step into that kind of courage, was bestowed now with the ability to fly. And I didn't really care if I was dead or not because the new reality I was experiencing was so amazing.
This dream came after I woke in the middle of the night with an excruciating headache. I've been using a meditation technique for dealing with pain, and so, in a sleepy state I experimented with absolutely going with the sensation of pain and allowing it to shoot out the side of my head. I utterly surrendered to the sensation. It was quite intense but I noticed that I actually relaxed by just following exactly the sensation. I've wondered if the paradox of dealing with some occasional headaches is that I'm practicing meditation in a way I never would have, learning to surrender to sensation, even unpleasant sensation, rather than resisting or trying to eliminate or control it.
It seems like this is related to the message of the dream, that there is some kind of courageous surrender that is required in order to find real freedom from fear, and that there is an incredible gift in facing directly the possibility of death.
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The insight I had about dreams was that in a pre-scientific world, before brain science, in the mystical world inhabited by humans with a radically different world-view, dreams were quite likely experienced as "real," rather than as "brain phenonema." I find that even when I have what seems to me to be a very vivid and significant dream such as this one that there is the part of me that has been conditioned by scientific materialist thought to discount its meaning for me.
I'm feeling the importance of questioning, deeply, that scientific materialist mind-set and stepping into the reality of what I experience in my non-waking hours.
I look forward to this rich exchange.
Sally
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Night time apocalypse
Hello everyone, I've just joined and this is my first post.
I'm interested to see that others dream of apocalypse or post-apocalypse. I've been having these type of dreams since the early 80s and the themes of mine seem very similar to those that others experience. So very often I find myself, almost always with a small group of others, travelling through a ruined urban landscape. It is frequently dark or gloomy and we spend our time finding routes around huge chunks of concrete and twisted girders. Sometimes we'll be on a horse drawn wagon and travellling through open countryside. In the dreams I know my companions but, on waking, realise that I don't know them at all.
Like Sally, I've also died in dreams. The first time was when I was about 11 (throat cut by a burglar - went straight to heaven, which was lovely and just like Tuscany) and it's happened many times since then, in lots of different ways. It seems odd to say it, but being 'dead' gives you a wonderful sense of freedom because nothing really matters in the way that it did before; you aren't fettered by the physical world, and that opens up all sorts of possibilities (maybe it's connected with frustration with the physical world?). I think, as well, that because of these dreams, I see death differently to how I used to. I'm not keen to experience the actual event, but no longer dread it, or what might happen afterwards.
Dreams of Calamity
In one of my dreams, I was leading a group of around 30 people out of a flooded area. We walked into a large, capital-like building, with wide front doors, huge black and white marble tile floor in a large, open lobby. For part of the dream, you need to know that I have been a Baha'i (a religion) all of my adult life.
Anyway, we walked through the lobby. I had a baby in a gerrypack on my back. I was at the front of the group, so came to the door into a waiting room first. The room was full of Baha'is - some I knew and some I didn't. They were all watching a TV that was reporting on the flood that was happening down lower. They were mezmerized with the TV, seemed to be in an alpha state, watching the screen, people dying, drowning, the horror of it all. The carpet was a thick, thick, plush carpet. The chairs and couches around the walls of the room were plush, comfortable, overstuffed furniture. Every chair was filled. I said to the people in the room, "You aren't high enough. Come with us. You need to get higher." They ignored me. They just continued to stare at the TV. They were complacent in their comfort and certain that they were safe.
Someone behind me said, "They aren't going to listen to you. We have to go." I said it a few more times and then just turned and led the group away from that room. We found a staircase right next to the front doors. It seemed odd to me, because it was like a stairwell that would be in a normal house, not a public building. But we started up, me first. About 2 and a half stories up, the stairs ended in a wall. Not even a closed door, just a wall. I turned around and told those below me we would have to go back down - that this was a dead end. It took awhile for all of us to get sorted out and back down the stairs, since there were 30 or so of us crowded into the stairwell.
When we got to the bottom, I again crossed to the waiting room and tried to tell the people that they had to go higher, but they still ignored me, so we finally left and walked down a long hallway. At the end of the hallway, we found the "right" stairs - they were open, curving, spiral stairs, going up many stories. I realized we had found the stairs meant for people to climb. So we started up. And climbed and climbed and climbed. Finally, after a LONG time climbing, we got to the top.
The stairs just ended into air - about two feet across - with a pathway on the other side that I knew led to safety. In order to get to that path, we had to jump across those two feet of open air - clear down to the lobby. I was petrified of jumping (I'm super nervous of heights anyway) but knew I had to do it if all of these people were going to get to safety. So, I jumped. In the middle of the jump, I looked down and saw a trail of water coming into the lobby all that far distance down.
And, suddenly, as I landed on the other side, it occurred to me that I hadn't happened to mention that that staircase - the one next to the front door - ended in a blank wall. And, all of those people were going to continue sitting there, mezmerized by the TV until their feet got wet (which they wouldn't notice for a long time because the carpet was so thick and plush it would absorb a lot of water before rising enough to soak their feet. Then they would jump to their feet, run out the door, and run for that staircase. But when they got 2 and a half stories up and found a blank wall, the need to get everyone on the stairs to turn around and go back down would be chaotic and would take too long, and by the time they got back down the stairs it would be too late and they would drown.
I was in SO much agony of spirit as I landed on the safe ledge. I knew some of those people. They were friends. They were going to die because I hadn't mentioned the staircase. Only I also knew that they were going to die because of their complacency and their refusal to listen to me - certain in themselves that they were safe and comfortable and didn't need to go higher. And by the time they were knocked out of their complacency, it would be too late to find the right staircase.
Baha'is have been warned, just like those in all other religions, about a time of calamity in the future. For some reason that I have never understood, the general attitude about those warnings are that "oh, that's something we aren't supposed to worry about. All we need to do is teach and 'build the kingdom of God on earth,' and we'll be ok." I have argued until I'm blue in the face about preparations for a storm being the reasonable approach when you know a hurricane is approaching, or going below ground if a tornado is forecast - it's never made a bit of difference. Finally, in the past six years, I've pretty much ignored the Baha'i community and gone my own way. But in truth, it hasn't stopped hurting. In their complacency, they sit mezmerized in comfort and false security, certain that they are "right." But in the end, they will run for the wrong staircase.
Lua in Colorado
thanks for your dream
Lua,
What an amazing dream. Thank you for taking the time to share it. It seems to speak so clearly to the deep desire to help, to awaken, to bring people along and also to the relative helplessness I have felt and that Jen wrote about recently in We Don't Get to Choose Who's in the River.
I am chewing on a piece I want to write about how important it is/will be to be able to grieve well, and to grieve on an ongoing basis. I just listened to a talk by the Guatemalan/Mayan/American shaman Martin' Prechtel about grief and praise. He makes the point that they are really the same thing, that we grieve about those things that we love and we show our love or praise by our willingness to grieve. The people of his village are so comfortable with deep grief, by comparison our culture looks and sounds cold and staid and shut down. For those who make it to higher ground as the waters rise I think the ability to grieve and keep moving and grieve some more and keep moving will be critical. Your dream speaks to me of that. Thanks.
dream weaving
KYHOOYA!
it has been many years since experiencing nightmares. at some predetermined point i had decided that it was i who was illustrating or configuring incoming messages. that, and learning to fly. now some are whimsical, some prophetic, some reflective in a nuanced language unfamiliar. i use to keep a dream journal next to the bed and immediately upon awakening would jot down my impressions. quite a lesson to read after a year or two. intend to do this again in that it is personally profitable.
as far as the artificiality of society extant...this has reverberated throughout my life, and i have experienced the schizophrenia involved in having one deep seated "knowledge" and submerging that in assuming a cultural role thrust upon me in the form of my own desire; implanted through educational and social contrivances to continue the mass illusion.
i struggle now with the thoughts of survival...am really not quite sure i care to, and on occassion lean to the Roman Senators' warm exit in water and wine at the Emperors' suggestion i cease and desist with dignity or face strained truth in torture. however, i watch What A Way To Go and sense deeper a destiny i am in the process of remembering. what i have to offer survival i haven't a clue. perhaps a story.
through lucid dreaming perhaps this will be clarified.
Nightmares...
Your dream reminds me of so many of the nightmares I've had over the past few years, and sometimes blogged about.
In many of them that I haven't recorded, I find myself trying desperately to escape a kind of war zone with my closest family members, and it's usually nighttime or pouring rain. The enforcement officers of the dominant culture, be they the police, soldiers, or government officials, are always armed and around every corner, looking for me. It's quite common for rain to be pouring heavily. In fact, in more than one instance, both indoors and out the water level is steadily rising and I'm panicking to find a way to escape it. In one dream I clearly recall building an ark, upon which my family would be able to survive the floods. If that's not a metaphor for something, I don't know what is!
I've begun to read some Derrick Jensen, who has introduced me to the insanity of dogmatic pacifism, and the occasional need for violence to defend against an oppressor. These ideas have me freaking out a bit, as I consider myself among the least violent people I know. But at the same time, I can imagine (eventually?) resigning to the kind of fearlessness that you describe. I suspect it will take me some time to get there, though.
Dreaming in the War Zone
I have those dreams... in the war zone... urban, dark, wet... huge warehouses and skyscraper canyons and empty streets... running, fighting, dodging explosions... trying to find my way somewhere... battling zombies and monsters... leading or following a band of loved ones... I'm reminded of something Ran Prieur said about post-apocalyptic movies, about how we have these Mad Max fantasies that look really awful, but which really reflect something we deeply want. Instead of lives locked in a cubicle, we're outside, living lives that really mean something, fighting against the forces that would keep us enslaved.
Glad you're reading Derrick. It occurred to me the other day that one way to summarize Derrick's work is that he is asking, over and over, "why aren't we protecting ourselves?" and making the distinction, over and over, between protection and domination, between self-defense and aggression. Good stuff. He really speaks to me. He is a good person and an amazing analyst and a deeply caring soul.
Your drawings of the dream are amazing!
Paul,
I loved reading your dream and the drawings were amazing. I had over a year of almost nightly apocalyptic dreams as Tim and I were doing research for What A Way To Go. I wrote them off to my "unconscious" just "processing" during the night what was too much to process during the day. Now I have other thoughts about these dreams. I wonder if they are not preparing us for working through both the physical and emotional/spiritual turmoil we are to be facing more and more. In that way perhaps they are training as much or more than any kind of literal prophesy.
When we talked about beginning this forum I hadn't thought of it being a place to share and reflect upon our dreams. It just "happened" that I had two clear and relevant dreams the next night after I wrote An Experiment. I want to begin to trust this avenue of insight, guidance, inspiration. Because perhaps it didn't "just happen" that I had those dreams the next night. Perhaps it was guidance: Write about your dreams. Encourage others to listen to theirs.
This is a whole other way of approaching our situation that may be a hundred times more powerful than a stupid technofix that doesn't work. This may be part of what stepping into a new paradigm is about: tapping into the wisdom of intuition, dreams, collective intelligence.
Dreaming the Apocalypse
My friend Michael Ortiz Hill authored a stunningly good book called
Dreaming the End of the World: Apocalypse As a Rite of Passage.
http://www.amazon.com/Dreaming-End-World-Apocalypse-Passage/dp/0882143646
Ram Dass said of it: ""Very, very few people today dare to go near this topic. This is a profound book."
Michael looks at 100 dreams about the apocalypse and writes about them from a very deep place. Sally, fyi, Michael is husband to Deena Meztger...
Juan
http://www.amazon.com/Dreaming-End-World-Apocalypse-Passage/dp/0882143646
dreamlessness, or else short, silly dreams
I have been following the dreams thread with interest and wishing I could contribute some dreams of my own. I haven't had many recently and that makes me sad. I used to have extremely complex, vivid dreams that brought me much insight. Ever since I had the baby, though, I don't seem to dream much... maybe I'm not ever fully asleep? She sleeps next to me and SHE'S definitely dreaming (as evidenced by periodic rapid eye movement, twitching, and smiling).
The one snippet of dream I can remember lately is that the baby was speaking her first words, and they were "pink flamingo." What does this mean?!
pink flamingo!
Jen,
My "babies" are now 22 and 27 but I so remember the days and nights of not enough sleep as the mother of young children. I salute you for the current sacrifice of sleeping with your daughter because I'm clear that for us the short term sacrifice was well worth the long-term gain of comfort and security for the children.
I looked up pink flamingo in Animal Speak but it is not listed. Is your daughter "a pink flamingo?" I googled and you might want to look at this article[http://jrscience.wcp.muohio.edu/fieldcourses02/MarineEcologyArticles/NotJustPrettyInPinkfinald.html ] to gain some insight. They apparently evolved 30 million years ago before most avian species, they have amazing ways of straining food from the mud, and their brilliant color comes from their diet. They stand on one leg...that may be a clue! They are very social beings but vulnerable so their only defense is to fly away... There's a lot more.
As you may have gathered I don't consider the dream at all silly and in fact I think it's very significant that you dreamed these were her first words spoken. From the Jewish tradition the first words spoken were "Let there be light." Interesting that you post this dream on the Winter solstice of 2007 as some of us celebrate the longest night of the year and the turning point when the light begins again to increase... Perhaps the new light is to be carried by your little pink flamingo!
May your dreams return!
Sally
flamingos are amazing
Sally, thank you so much for your words and the link to the article on flamingos. I am astonished at how amazing flamingos are, and grateful that you took the dream seriously. How could I have called it silly? This was an important message.
Just like my strongest wishes for my daughter, flamingos are incredibly well-adapted, resilient, social, and can perform great, unexpected feats. I didn't know that they had the capacity to drink fresh water from boiling geysers, or that they have such strongly muscled stomachs that they can digest whole mollusks, shell and all. I am thrilled to discover that flamingos, rather than being just a silly, ubiquitous symbol of "tropicalness," are fabulous, real birds, evolving over millions of years on those skinny pink legs.
I was also struck by the observations of coordinated, collective behavior among flamingos. The article says, "These communal birds also use vision as an important role in helping to synchronize collective displays of social behavior between several hundred to several thousand birds. Head bobbing, neck twisting, communal marching, and other elaborate visual displays are highly infectious in the large colonies and help the birds communicate with each other." I was thinking lately about how depressed I am that I can't seem to mobilize people around me to DO something about the converging crises on the horizon, feeling all too often like a lone voice, and how much I have been helped by communicating with people via the internet who are of like mind. Then suddenly, here is this image of thousands of flamingos signaling to each other, understanding each other, and synchronizing... it is a wildly beautiful image. Maybe we as humans can also achieve that level of communication and synchronicity and undulating pink beauty.
I also love how the flamingos are very much a tribal sort of bird; they love to gather together, they always nest in dense colonies. Nesting with my own little one, I have been sorely missing the companionship of others, feeling furious on a daily basis that this culture is so pervasive and brutal in how it drives us apart from each other, leaving so many desperately unsupported and lonely. I am feeling it more acutely these days than ever, wishing people would come visit, wishing for company, wishing for help with the relentless piles of tasks that never get done. I have tried asking for help but invariably the response is that everyone is Just Too Busy. I'm about ready to take that hamster wheel of busy-ness that everyone is on and hack it to pieces.
So here is this dream that my Lily has spoken her first words, "pink flamingo." My baby is calling me back to the real world and back to what is important. And she is holding out the promise that she will be rooted in that real world and guided by those collective values.
Flamingo Lingo
thank you Jen,
for the beautiful imagery.
I just got back from a visit with my in-laws, one of them who was visiting,works in the oil industry. It was really painful to sit through the retoric of "oh there is lots of oil" and the other favourite "technology will save us".
It felt good to come home and listen to some flamingo speak!
Vivienne